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October 31, 2011


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Jeff Imbach

Thanks for this thoughtful article, Ron. And while I believe that it is important to stay in the trenches and work within the system whenever possible, I have only one critique of the analogy that you gave re. Sir Thomas More.
More was already within the system, and held the reins of power. From that position of power he offered to include Raphael. As a person within the power system, More had the means to offer Raphael something real and substantive even though it would be difficult.
If that kind of inclusion and sharing of power were happening from within the economic and political powers, the protest against institutionalized greed and abuse of power that the Occupiers and others are making we would already be on the far shore of well-being.

Eric H Janzen

Thanks Brad, it is good to hear and be reminded that there are politicians who make a real difference along the way. A helpful resource, and maybe there is one, would be something that documented the admirable achievements of those in public service. To read some of those stories would help cynics like me. We tend to hear by far more of the negative facts and stories than the positive. I often read statements like the one I challenged in your comment about their being upstanding, true justice minded legislators, and wonder 'Really? Who are they? Where are they?' Us cynics would benefit from more specifics. Also, it would be nice to know about current public figures that could be looked to in our present era, not just those of the past.



Hi Eric

You might be surprised to hear this but I think Teddy Kennedy was such a legislator. A review of the bills he forged and had passed overwhelmed me after his death. Jack Leyton was another.


Eric H Janzen

To allow my inner cynic full voice, a thing I rarely let out, I have to ask: are there any such legislators? And, if there are, would such men and women of true character even be able to get in on the back room negotiations? Now the less cynical voice: I think it is possible these people exist in government, but I also, rightly or wrongly, believe the System itself is designed (in back room negotiations) to seriously limit their efforts and to keep them from real authority at the centre of things ... on second thought, that all sounds deeply cynical.


Brad Jersak

My own sense is that the lobbyists and legislators inside the system who seek to do justice need the leverage that nonviolent protestors give them in the back room negotiations. And the protestors need the lobbyists who will speak for them and work towards real legislation. The protestor and the prophetic legislator depend on this link. When protest becomes violent, the link is usually broken and the movement dissolves.

Eric H Janzen

It is worth noting that at least part of the Occupy Movement in the US is thinking towards political involvement. In their tentative list of grievances they are suggesting the possibility that some from the movement run in the upcoming elections in the US if politicians don't step up and do something about the grievances they movement is raising.
However, the movement lacks a cohesive centre and is a fractured group at best. If they were willing to have some clear leadership they could accomplish more on the change front. That being said, I think there is value in the voice they have given to the issue of corporate greed and political corruption on its behalf. Awareness increasing in the 99% is a good thing and will hopefully lead to more dissatsifaction with the current System and be a motivation for actual changes ... not just idealized change.


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