Post a comment
Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.
Your Information
(Name and email address are required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)
Categories
- Author - Andrew Klager
- Author - Anna-Therese Pierlot
- Author - Azariah France-Williams
- Author - Brad Jersak
- Author - Brian Zahnd
- Author - Cindy Wang Brandt
- Author - Eric H. Janzen
- Author - Felicia Murrell
- Author - Fran Francis
- Author - Henry Smidstra
- Author - Jessica Cotten
- Author - Jessica Williams
- Author - Jill Carnuccio
- Author - Joni Miller
- Author - Kenneth Tanner
- Author - Kevin Miller
- Author - Lazar Puhalo
- Author - Mercy Aiken
- Author - Richard Murray
- Author - Rob Grayson
- Author - Ron Dart
- Author - Sarah Fung
- Author - Sarah Van Diest
- Author - Sophia A. Foutres
- Author - Tracy Saletta
- Author - Wayne Northey
- Book Reviews
Clickworthy
Become a Fan
« Women Bishops: It’s about the Bible, not fake ideas of progress by Tom Wright | Main | Longing for an Adventure - by Jeff Imbach »
December 03, 2012
Comments
You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.
Verify your Comment
Previewing your Comment
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment
As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.
Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.
Search
Recent Posts
- Ronald Wright: Can We Still Dodge the Progress Trap? -- Comments by Wayne Northey
- Sacred House cleaning and fear monsters - poem by Debbie Hughes
- Q&R: If we hope in Christ for ultimate redemption, why evangelism? Brad Jersak
- WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 4) - Brad Jersak
- WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 3) - Brad Jersak
- WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 2) - Brad Jersak
- WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 1) - Brad Jersak
- A Different Kind of Feast - Homily by Fr. Sean Davidson
- Hermann Hesse, "Siddhartha" – review by Ron Dart
Recent Comments
- john w. barber on Guest Post: A Rainbow Seen through Celtic Eyes - Fr. David Jones
- john w. barber on Homily: Against such LOVE there is no LAW - Eden Jersak (with audio)
- Jeff on WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 2) - Brad Jersak
- Mike Richardson on WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 1) - Brad Jersak
- Steven on WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 4) - Brad Jersak
- Tim on WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 4) - Brad Jersak
- Treybounds on WHY I AM NOT A UNIVERSALIST (but sound like one) Reflections on David Bentley Hart’s "That All Shall Be Saved" (PART 1) - Brad Jersak
- john w. barber on Q&R WITH BRAD JERSAK: “UNDER GRACE, ARE WE STILL ‘SINNERS’? IS CONFESSING SIN A DENIAL OF GRACE?”
- john w. barber on Hermann Hesse, "Siddhartha" – review by Ron Dart
- Mike Richardson on Q&R WITH BRAD JERSAK: “UNDER GRACE, ARE WE STILL ‘SINNERS’? IS CONFESSING SIN A DENIAL OF GRACE?”
It's interesting to hear someone talk about Pelagius who is not steeped in Augustinian assumptions (although Ron is certainly more charitable to Augustine than some).
I recently attended a lecture by Greg Balerio in the UK, who is an expert on Celtic Christianity, both from the point of view of history and also as a serious practitioner. From that point of view, Pelagius can be seen to have a far stronger view of grace than Augustine, because for Pelagius, grace was far more than just a way to deal with personal guilt to be passively accepted. Rather, for Pelagius and the Celts, God's grace encompassed, enfolded and covered one's whole life ... we are nested in it and within that grace, we make choices which ARE the activity of the Holy Spirit and live out these choices AS the activity of the Holy Spirit. One could say, IN grace (the very presence of the Spirit) we LIVE, and MOVE, and EXIST. So my living and moving are not supplementary to grace but the actual manifestation or fruit of the Spirit in real life.
I find this very compelling because then choices and actions matter in a way that they seem to matter to Jesus and the authors of the NT.
Posted by: Clarion Journal | December 04, 2012 at 08:29 AM
Illuminating and very helpful Ron, thank you!
Posted by: adit | December 04, 2012 at 07:16 AM
Excellent series of talks, clearly and succinctly presented. Just one observation, Pelagius did not come from England. England did not exist when he was born or lived. Pelagius came from Britannia. Saying he came from England would be akin to saying that the Cappadocian Fathers came from Turkey.
Posted by: Wyn Thomas | December 04, 2012 at 06:05 AM