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November 06, 2017

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Gary Knight

The discussion is already 4 years old (although, what is 4 years in 16 centuries ?) .. yet I thought I would note that Augustine's point in De Trinitatis as quoted in your section 2 (and your own point in para. 2 of section 5) is subsumed in recognizing that He who is sent, while clearly the Son, is also intimately the Father ("I am in the Father and the Father is in me"). Thus the atoning sacrifice is of God entirely, as an outpouring of Love ("God is Love") and indeed pity (to paraphrase: "Let us forgive them, for they know not what they do"). This pity is not 'condescending' in the sense that some people use it, but in the best sense of Pieta or Pie (impassioned empathetic caring, the way a pelican feeds her young). As John says, "God sooo (or thus) loved the world," and so it is that the very name of Jesus (Y'shuah) is "the salvation of God" (as announced prophetically by Simeon). This unity of God and His work is the reason that Athanasius can say "the glory of God is man fully alive": it is not the glory of the Son alone, or the Holy Spirit (by whom one is 'born from above' as Jesus explained), or the Father taken in categorical separations, but of the blessed Trinity beheld in its awesome Oneness. This should bring us back to the reason Augustine was writing that work in the first place. Best regards, a third-order Augustinian.

Jeff

Augustine and Aquinas, and those certain scholastics following them, didn’t understand synergism to be simplistic ( 50/50), much nuance on two levels of causality , so a necessitas absoluta reading of foreknowledge / predestination misses the mark entirely,

Jeff

https://www.amazon.ca/Luther-Right-Ecumenical-Theological-Luthers-Bondage/dp/B000G86M0I

McSorelys book can sort out some of these misreadings, 3.75$ at Abe books

Sgonzo88

So good. Thanks for posting this. Always good to read the words of the church fathers themselves instead of the interpretation of them by someone else. Interesting how this issue is still such a pretentious conversation in 2017.

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