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April 19, 2019

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fran francis

Me too, Ellen. What Jessica said!

Ellen

Thanks for the question, R. Buddemeier. I actually put that paragraph in for the very concerns that you state! He is building on a biblical foundation and our ancient Christian tradition. Rohr is a Franciscan, a Catholic priest, and his theology is consistent with both Franciscan and Catholic doctrine. (Actually, a concerned person reported him to the Vatican, and he passed their inquiry easily!) Of course, the Catholic view of the atonement precedes Luther and Calvin, so it may not be as familiar to Protestants and others. The Franciscans in particular emphasize the incarnation as evidence even before the cross that that God loves and reconciles with the material creation, which counters the falseness of Greek dualism. He also connects us with the Girardian view of the atonement. There's not new, heretical stuff here. Though the assertions in my paragraph are indeed in the book and have been in his teaching over his many years, he does not dwell on them at length in this book because he assumes that you already have that foundation.

Ellen Haroutunian

EllenHar

Thanks for the question, R. Buddemeier. I actually put that paragraph in for the very concerns that you state! He is building on a biblical foundation and our ancient Christian tradition. Rohr is a Franciscan, a Catholic priest, and his theology is consistent with both Franciscan and Catholic doctrine. (Actually, a concerned person reported him to the Vatican, and he passed their inquiry easily!) Of course, the Catholic view of the atonement precedes Luther and Calvin, so it may not be as familiar to Protestants and others. The Franciscans in particular emphasize the incarnation as evidence even before the cross that that God loves and reconciles with the material creation, which counters the falseness of Greek dualism. He also connects us with the Girardian view of the atonement. There's not new, heretical stuff here. Though the assertions in my paragraph are indeed in the book and have been in his teaching over his many years, he does not dwell on them at length in this book because he assumes that you already have that foundation.

R. Buddemeier

Ellen -- Why did you write: "To be clear, Rohr teaches that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, begotten not made, the second Person of the Trinity, the Word of God incarnated in human flesh, fully divine and fully man. He died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and was bodily resurrected, demonstrating God’s victory over sin, death and hell."

I just read this book, and Rohr does not teach this. I don't see this affirmation anywhere. Read especially the chapter entitled Why Did Jesus Die.

This is a frightening book and well outside the traditional teachings of Christianity. I am uncertain why Rohr would want to identify himself as a Christian. Most who read the first chapter and have read the Bible and any orthodox creed might readily ask this question. I think your comment is an error.

Jessica

So glad you reviewed this book, Ellen. Thank you for posting this. I've been listening to the podcast that goes along with Rohr's new book, and have found it to be deep, challenging, and encouraging. My faith has been stretched and deepened through his thoughts on the Universal Christ, and I have felt such a stronger connection to God as a result, knowing God is everywhere - beyond, inside, outside, past, present, future, all around. It's not that I didn't know that before, but...well, did I really? This teaching has been eye-opening.

The last line you have here in this review is so profoundly accurate! "The really question for us is, how big is our God?"

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