Brad Jersak interviews activist, pastor, teacher, Dr. David N. Moore. He is the author of Making America Great Again: Fairy Tale? Horror Story? Dream Come True?

David and Brad discuss racism in America, the fears that drive it, the "disorder of territoriality" and the asymmetry of racial protests. How do we avoid becoming the very monster we oppose.

"I noticed similarities between my experience and those of survivors of abuse, especially with reference to their need to tell their story, and thereby reclaim their lives. Having lived most of my life in the world of white Christians, feeling unheard on matters of race and empire, this book is an important part of my personal journey towards forgiveness and even, in some cases, hope for reconciliation."