3683-2Fr. Aidan Kimel recently posted a fascinating, must-read article on the question of Judas Iscariot's final destiny in light of universal hope. It begins, "But what about the Iscariot‽ The fate of Judas is the challenge most often posed to anyone who dares to proclaim the greater hope." That's the question. His research and thoughts on the matter are worth reading here:

Pascha and the Apokatastasis of Judas Iscariot

However, it still left me wondering about Jesus' words at the Last Supper in Mark 14, where we read,

17 When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18 While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me—one who is eating with me.”

19 They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, “Surely you don’t mean me?”

20 “It is one of the Twelve,” he replied, “one who dips bread into the bowl with me. 21 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

Verse 2 ought to trouble even the most hopeful among us, for in light of the possibility of ultimate redemption, how could the Saviour say non-existence would have been better than a redeemed outcome, the betrayal notwithstanding. That question led to a fascinating discussion among friends, worth sharing here:

Responding to Mark 14:21 

Tony Fagan In my opinion, the pure love of God, unconditional love, overrides what failures any human have experienced. Hitler or any world leader will all be resurrected. Something in man takes delight at the thought of someone didn't make it but I did. It is as if man makes himself feel a notch above another to believe so and so won't be in the Kingdom. Religions love exclusivity and drawing the line in the sand.
 
Brad Jersak Agreed, so again, what do we make of the Lord's words in this text?
 
Jim Folsom It is interesting that you bring this up. I'm not a language scholar. I have heard people read this passage as 'good for Jesus if Judas had never been born.' Is that a misinterpretation or is it a possible reading of that text?
 
Brad Jersak I'm not sure that it helps, but it is very different, isn't it? It creates new and maybe worse problems. The best option might be to read it rhetorically rather than literally.
 
Tony Fagan "I forgive you and I love my enemies. I came to die," Jesus would say, for all humanity, to include everyone into the joy of being as one with my Father.
 
This might be too general but the Holy Spirit will show us more on this when we are ready to handle it. God created every human being before the earth began orbitting around the sun. I think, in my opinion, if God didn't want someone in His Kingdom He would have simply not design them in the first place. I don't see God being the creator of people in order to have a day of let's exterminate those detestables, at long last.
 
Tim Hall Do you think Christ might have had Ecclesiastes in mind?

Eccl. 6:3 A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that *a stillborn child is better off than he.* [emphasis mine].
Sean Davidson We can hope: 
"Then he will come, Christ the uncrucified,
Christ the discrucified, his death undone,
His agony unmade, his cross dismantled—
Glad to be so—and the tormented wood
Will cure its hurt and grow into a tree
In a green springing corner of young Eden,
And Judas damned take his long journey backward
From darkness into light and be a child
Beside his mother’s knee, and the betrayal
Be quite undone and never more be done."
– Edwin Muir, "The Transfiguration" 

Brad Jersak Love this. Yet as a hopeful inclusivist, I still wonder that Jesus would say it would be better that he had not been born…
 
Sean Davidson Yes, though that could mean so many things … This might not be condemnatory language for someone bound to suffer the worse of ECT. It could be a hyperbolic way of naming the inescapable consequences for collusion with evil in a maximal way … and we may discover that's redeemable (who among us would dare say if there was wiggle room for hope?)
 
Jordan Landfear If Judas was at all a self aware man, the weight of the action would make him surely wish he was never born. The grief and torment that would follow would be deadly and it ultimately was. He broke, but that doesn't mean he's not forgiven and loved.
 
Chris Block I agree with the verse in Mark 14:2. However it's not in a punitive sense. My thought is this: 

Woe to Judas for the suffering of guilt and bitter remorse of his actions! The sin committed would burden even the hardest of hearts — woe indeed, for the pain would be unbearable! But blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord! He is a refuge for the broken and a comfort for the mourning.

 
Ferg Breen Is it in line with the sentiment of Ecclesiastes 6:3, "A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he."

Jesus doesn't say it would be better for Judas not to have existed, but better for him not to have been born. Perhaps an empathic reflection on the inner turmoil Judas felt. 
 
Tim Hall We see language similar to Christ's in Eccl. [as above] ("a stillborn child is better off") to describe someone who "cannot enjoy his prosperity." This last seems a particularly interesting piece of language when applied to Judas, whose "prosperity" was the field in which he died. It gets even more interesting after that:
4 [the stillborn baby] comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded.
5 Though it never saw the sun or knew anything, it has more rest than does that man—
So verse 5 indicates in what way it's better not to be born–"it has more rest." Then comes v. 6:
6 even if he [the man who can't enjoy his prosperity] lives a thousand years twice over but fails to enjoy his prosperity.
And then comes the end of v. 6. I don't know if Jesus had this passage specifically in mind when talking about judas, but there are, as noted, some interesting contact points. And if he *did* have this passage in mind, then, for a universalist, things get intensely interesting here:
"Do not all go to the same place?"
That's the end of v. 6. Interesting, huh? 🙂
 
Chuck McKnight My enthusiasm for the interrobang [‽] sighting aside, I don't really see much of a case against Judas' reconciliation. His betrayal of Jesus was no worse than anyone else's, just perhaps a bit more explicit.

As for Jesus statement that it would be better if Judas had never been born, it reads to me as obvious hyperbole, referring (as Chris suggested) more to remorse than anything. And the idea that suicide is a mortal sin is patent nonsense, in my opinion. In this case, it was actually an act of repentance. (Check out the Greek in Matthew 27:3.)

Here's some additional fun speculation. According to Matthew's account, Judas would have reached Hades just a few hours before Jesus did (27:5, 50). What if Judas were among the saints who were raised a few verses later (52–53)? He thus would have been around after Jesus' resurrection, when Jesus appeared to "the twelve" (1 Corinthians 15:5).

 
Chris Block Hyperbole is a logical conclusion — the fact that Judas hung himself is evidence of this. What remorse he must have felt! Jesus words are a depiction of pity, not judgement.
  
Ferg Breen I've read before (not sure where) that some of the early fathers (Origen, Theophanies, et al) believed that Judas took his life so he could get to hades to meet Jesus there.
 
Chuck McKnight Interesting!
 
Matthew Francis A liturgical text worth exploring here would be St. Romanos the Melodist's 6th century Kontakion "On Judas." The refrain of this hymn, repeated twenty-four times, is "Mercy, be merciful to us, O Lord, in your mercy, ever forebearing, never despairing."
 
Screen Shot 2016-11-10 at 11.57.13 AM"On Judas" – Frederica Here and Now
http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/frederica/on_judas2

 
 
For lyrics, go HERE, starting at page 97.
 
Brad Jersak Awesome! Thanks Matthew Francis
Wow, absolutely profound. I just listened. Sobering.
 
Sean Davidson Of course, this is a question about ourselves as much as judas …
 
Brad Jersak Exactly. This is well worth the full listen to let both the depths of betrayal and depths of mercy do their work. As Orthodox communicants, every time we partake of the Eucharist, we examine ourselves as to whether we are playing the role of Judas or of the repentant thief. On any given Sunday, I may be either … Lord have mercy.
"O Son of God, receive me today as a partaker of Your mystical supper. For I will not speak of the mystery to Your enemies, nor will I give You a kiss, as did Judas. But like the thief, I confess to You: Remember me, Lord, in Your Kingdom."